in my own group when i look at malcolm x's children and even john kennedy's children, i almost have survivor's guilt, ann and geraldo, because as they all told me you know what? you're the lucky one. you got a chance to grow up with your father. i believe that people should have the right to bear arms, but you have with rights you have to have responsibilities. we're not having that discussion. >> agree a hundred percent. >> wait a second. i appreciate that. i think unless we have black leaders speaking to black children about killing other black children, you're going to have an epidemic continuing in the inner city. i think the issue of crazy people getting guns is an excellent issue. >> let me tell you something. >> it's two separate issues that end up in the same place. >> i will not -- i will not hear that everybody from pearl, mississippi to paducah, kentucky to virginia tech everybody involved in these mass slayings is crazy. that is not true. you have some people who are absolutely disturned. they're not all mentally ill. they are ill. let me tell you something. violence is an illness,